I didn't like your post because you refused to understand the point, and also decided that we're all retarded.

Quote from PMD9409 :

... but this is just over the line retardation!

Quote from PMD9409 :

How is my post nonsense? You guys said yourself that this is touring car racing, where bumping happens. So if in real touring cars they don't bump down the straights (because they don't get as big of a draft as in LFS), they can only bump in the turns. I don't know about you guys, but bumping the turns sound mighty dangerous.

But it seems you still do not understand. Bump drafting is deliberate contact. Contact in touring cars is inevitable but is mostly (and should be) accidental.

Quote from PMD9409 :

You want to know the ignorant part about that video Passo? All the "accidents" happened in the turns, so that must be touring car racing!

As for the video, well, I'm sorry you found it ignorant but the cause of all the crashes was bump drafting. If you're going 10+ mph quicker into a corner because of that technique, you're always going to have a greater likelihood of problems/contact: Which is precisely the point I am making.

I posted this in the iTCC bump drafting discussion argument thread to prove a point (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=58478 if you're interested in joining the debate). It was made in about 45 minutes. I'll just leave it here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV8tM2r4hRY

Not supposed to be an insult, just to make that clear

Last edited by Mp3 Astra, Tue 16 Jun 2009, 21:19.

Quote from Hypothraxer :

I was wondering if you have to apply to this bump drafting - when someone came from behind he always chose the other car to bump leaving me in the dust, making me think that I forgot to pay my dues?

It's an exclusive club. You have to prove your worth!

With great respect to all the racers who have provided thrilling races for the last few months, here's a video showing my feelings for bump drafting [in circuit racing].

I nicknamed it 'Touring Car Techniques'

Last edited by Mp3 Astra, Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:22.

Quote from scotty2888 :

Lag can happen at anytime even when your side by side banging door handles TOURING CAR STYLE and cause an accident. I see no difference.

Because crashing into the back of someone to get a speed boost is a deliberate action. Banging doorhandles is a side-effect of some overtaking maneuveres. Moreover, bump drafting is not a touring car-style action.

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Maybe you already tried that.

Quote from BigTime :

I really can't believe we're arguing this when drivers were dive bombing 5 and 6 cars back this last round of the season, and not a word has been said. "It's touring car racing, contact is part of it"

A little bit of contact is touring car racing. Note A LITTLE, like rubbing door panels in a corner. Bump drafting isn't minor contact, it's crashing into the back of someone at 15+mph. Bump drafting is to be left on the oval, in my opinion for all the reasons I stated above. This is just my opinion and, as you can see, even my crazy co-commentator disagrees with me. Maybe I'm in a minority here but whatever.

Quote from PMD9409 :

I waited a long while to respond to this thread, mainly because I just wanted a real good laugh, but this is just over the line retardation! Basically, what you guys are saying by us not being allowed to bumpdraft is this:

"Guys, we will not allow you to bump on the straights to wisely work your way up the field, instead, we are allowing to dangerously bump in corners, even at high speed. You might ask why? Well that's because this is for a good show, and people acting wisely is just plain wrong."

Thanks guys, I fully understand your concerns now.

Thanks Phil, I fully have absolutely no idea where you got that nonsense from. You were a perfect example of bump drafting going wrong, in race three of round six. You hit Nolan and you were off, no control. Luckily there was nobody near you to pick up the pieces.

Last edited by Mp3 Astra, Tue 16 Jun 2009, 13:25. Reason : Housekeeping

Point still stands: the whole thing is dangerous, unrealistic and unfair on a guy who managed to make a break on the rest of the field. That's my 3.5 pence. EDIT: Actually, it's more like 1.75 pence. Fail.

Last edited by Mp3 Astra, Mon 15 Jun 2009, 23:35.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Ever tried to bumpdraft more than 2 cars at once in LFS?

Doesn't work very well.

So, ultimately, the number of people in a team doesn't matter unless you're just talking about the availability of bumpdrafting partners in general. And in that case, tbh I didn't discriminate between teammates and non-teammates when I wanted to bump up the field this season. The only discrimination comes when it's a choice between a teammate and a non-teammate.

Check the 'cast, we had 4 car bumpdrafts on regular occasions. Lag really seems to help those ones, the speed boost is unreal. Literally.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Bumpdrafting enhances the team/squad aspect, IMO. Plus it's crazy fun.

Yes, but when your team/squad has 5+ drivers in the series, it gets a little ridiculous... Know what I'm saying?

It looks silly and unrealistic and, for me, I like to have a realistic race that's not enhanced by lag-induced bump drafting.

I would agree about banning bumpdrafting; it was very clear at Aston and Kyoto especially, that if you got yourself a partner you could cruise past everyone. It made for good commentating but I'd rather have standard racing and cut out the silliness.

This page has had one picture that was shite. I'm here to correct this:



Possibly my favourite ever C&H.

Let's not forget Chris Wilkinson bringing out a yellow flag on the final lap after flipping like a nub.

But good stuff, guys; very entertaining.

I will not explain my epic Clockwork Motorsports joke. I'll leave you guys to work it out.

We're 3 minutes away from quali.

Hey race fans !

The final round of the 2009 iCON Touring Car Championship is Sunday, June 14th from Aston National . As usual, our live coverage will start with the reserve shootouts from 1700 UTC. Commentary will be provided by Jonathan Palmer, along with Michael Passingham. We look forward to bringing you the coverage.

Coverage will be streamed live on Livestream (formerly Mogulus) at this link: http://www.livestream.com/itcc

It's the finale and Nolan Scott is looking to secure the championship. He has a small lead over his teammate Fredrik Enersen so it's all to play for at this thrilling track. Who's gonna take the glory?

Tune in to find out ! We look forward to seeing you all this evening !

Commentator said 'we race for blood' but then went on to say 'they're all gentlemen'. Friendly vampires, that's what motorsport is.

What a beautiful finish. This is what motorsport is about!

God, I love 'poo-joes'.

Quote from kirmy :

well apart from that, it did lead a race a few times

It lead when Paul Radisich decided not to make his pitstop til the last possible moment; he lead a lap but was caught by the leaders pretty much instantly, and ended up getting turned around in one particular race

:doh:

Despite the occassional stupid interjections, I'm finding this G25 conversation very useful! Do you think if you never moved the shifter it would never break? Or even if you left it always attached to the desk but just slid it up and down whenever you needed it; would that help the lifespan?

Thanks for the info, guys. I guessed it was like that having seen many 'Watchdog' episodes in my time.

The more I read and think about a G25, the less time I can hold off from buying one...

If you buy your wheel from Ebay, do they still cover warranties?

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=34512

Quote from boothy :

Well at Westhill they were listed as Scottish and had the flag, and its no problem with Bawbag in MoE - and TBH, I'd like it as well! All of the flags of Great Britain come with the tracker so it seems easy enough to do...

Maybe I don't want to lose your fabulous country from our great nation...